Hoffay echoed Seche’s note of caution based on his own experience trying to change traffic patterns Uptown. Five years ago, Hoffay championed a proposal to replace a traffic signal at the intersection of Wall and North Front Street with stop signs. Like the current proposal, the change was sought by business owners who believed it would smooth the flow of traffic and help attract customers. The resulting chaos led to a few fender benders and many more near misses before the pilot project was shut down due to concerns over public safety at the busy intersection. Hoffay said that the proposal to reverse traffic flow on Wall and Fair would likely face similar challenges.
“There is a high probability, given the volume of traffic, that things could go wrong,” said Hoffay. “That said, none of those problems are insurmountable and since there is so much support for it I think it’s worth a try.”
The proposal would also likely need the support of Mayor Shayne Gallo, who did not respond to requests for comment on the issue. Tonner said he had had conversations with Gallo, which left him with the impression that the mayor would go along with the proposal, at least on a test basis. But Dunn said that he got a different message when he tried to bring up the subject at a recent meeting with Gallo.
“I asked what we could do, how this could be successful,” said Dunn. “He basically turned me away — he wasn’t interested.”
Changing the direction of traffic flow on Wall St. and on Fair St. will solve nothing and could even make matters worse. Those proposing the street direction changes fail to show an understanding of the issue; fail to provide any data or information to show how the problem developed; and are, it seems, not equipped to expound a solution.
THE ISSUE: According to the handful of individuals proposing the street changes, the economic vitality of uptown Kingston is not what it could or should be. Agreed. From what I understood after sitting in two meetings with them is that traffic is singularly, both the cause and the solution. If that were true, then why are stores in easy to navigate towns like Saugerties, Catskill, Hudson, and even Rhinebeck, doing so poorly, not to mention Woodstock which should be a ghost town because it is so far out of the way. Another statement on the issue is the reason that the economic vitality of uptown Kingston is not more robust is because the shopping atmosphere is not attractive enough. So what’s the cause for that? Hint, it’s got nothing to do with the traffic. (Explanations for these statements are too long to include herein).
THE DATA: The data upon which they principally rely is a 2009 traffic report entitled Uptown Stockade Area Transportation Plan (USATP) commissioned by the Ulster County Transportation Council and developed by The RBA Group, an out of county business specializing in urban design, engineering, traffic and transportation, etc. One, or the main, purpose of the USATP was to recommend changes that could improve the economic vitality in the area. In this respect the RBA Group fell short, but nevertheless managed to develop a padded (58 pages) report which proposed many of the ideas everyone pretty much already knew regarding signals, signs and parking. This was accomplished with 31 pages of Google map type aerial photos, line drawings and street intersection statistics, supported by 27 pages of data describing the streets, the sidewalks, which way traffic flowed and for how many blocks, etc. The report addresses an area 40 to 50 times greater than the size of the area for which this proposed street traffic change should be addressing, that is, the 2 block area of the Pike Plan: North Front St. between Crown St. and Wall St.; and Wall St. between North Front St. and John St.
As for the direction of traffic flow on Wall St., it is perfect as it currently is. Reversing Wall St. to run south could, arguably, just as likely have the effect of sending people out of the area even that much quicker, not to mention the loss of traffic coming up Route 32 from Rosendale, New Paltz and beyond, and directing them away from Wall St. to travel north on Fair St. instead. Don’t these visitors to uptown count for anything?
Understandably, the individuals proposing this traffic scheme want to see things get better. So do I since I have a business on Wall St., but they offer no other data, information or solutions. I have tried twice to state my case to them to no avail. They are resolute in their fixation and are unwilling or unable to see the possibility that other factors, other than traffic, affect uptown Kingston’s business climate. I can think of many, I’ve not heard them mention even one. (Explanations for the above statements are too long to include herein).
THE SOLUTION: 1) Understand the problem. Lots of people come here but they don’t come back. Why? People continually return to Woodstock, and even Rhinebeck and Saugerties. One reason is because of the climate (not weather), the surroundings, the conditions, the feelings, the mood. What is it and how do we get it?
2) Attract small business store owners, the kind who see Woodstock and Rhinebeck like the culmination of a dream, who willingly sink their life savings into those zip codes, paying monthly rents 2 to 3 times more than what they would here in uptown Kingston. The number of stores going out of business in Rhinebeck probably exceeds those failing in uptown Kingston, yet the store locations are mostly occupied. Why is that, and not so here?
3) Avoid activities that hurts the uptown Kingston business climate. We shoot ourselves in the foot more often than we realize. Many times each year in fact.
4) Finally, for this writing, it would be advisable that individuals who make proposals affecting the masses bring some kind of verifiable data, evidence, facts, proof, whatever, to support their ideas. For individual businesspeople, they should also have a 5 year day-to-day/month-to-month track record in uptown Kingston, typical of wisely run businesses. In the case at hand, the proponents of the traffic change seem to be relying solely on the USATP as their data support. The RBA Group, in their concluding remarks in the USATP, wisely avoided stating that any of their recommendations would have the desired impact on the Stockade district’s economic vitality, instead cautiously choosing the word “could”, implying that, in the end the USATP is just a traffic plan, and no other conclusions should be inferred. From this we should also wisely avoid thinking that traffic flow is the solution to economic vitality.
Explanations for all of the above statements are available but are too long to include herein.
Nope. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. We’re seeing so much good coming to uptown but it is a fragile recovery. I would categorize this idea as a step back.